More final thoughts – Mayo News football podcast 2021 E30

It’s now two weeks on from Mayo’s latest, hugely disappointing All-Ireland final defeat. The debate about how and why the final was lost continues to rumble on, as the county comes to terms with the fact that yet another opportunity to land the Sam Maguire has once again slipped from its grasp.

In this episode of the Mayo News football podcast we dig a bit deeper into the defeat to Tyrone and to the reaction the loss has engendered among the Mayo faithful. Rob Murphy hosts the show and he’s joined by Mayo News columnist Billy Joe Padden and by Mick Foley of The Sunday Times.

The lads reflect on the fallout from the final and look at some of the big questions that have emerged from Mayo’s latest final defeat. The quality of Mayo’s 2021 season is assessed as is the question of what led to the team’s under-performance on the big day. 

They then go on to consider the criticism James Horan has received in the wake of the defeat and what he might have learned from this. After that they circle back to the game itself and look at Mayo’s forward play on the day, in doing so reflecting on the type of forwards the county is developing. 

Finally, they look at the build-up to the final a fortnight ago, a match Mayo were being widely tipped in advance to win, and they discuss the role supporters play in raising expectations of success.

This episode of the Mayo News football podcast is now online and is available to listen to on iTunes, SoundCloud, Podomatic and Spotify. You can also listen to it directly on the Mayo News website as well as here on the blog using the SoundCloud player below or the one on the panel on the right.  

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44 thoughts on “More final thoughts – Mayo News football podcast 2021 E30

  1. Think Kieran King for Knockmore was very impressive today reads the game so well and is very composed on the ball would like to see him called in, Colm Reape in Goal to me has the best kickouts in the County and needs game time in next year’s National League, I think young Aidan Orme looked really dangerous at times today always takes the right option of when to shoot or to give the assist like he did for Knockmores goal, would like to see him starting as Mayos Right Corner forward next year.
    Conor Diskin looked by far the best player in the Claremorris Davitts game that included Colm Boyle and James McCormack, surely deserves a recall now.
    Any standout performances in the Mitchels v Balla game?

  2. I think Colm Reape has to be given a chance as he has a booming Kickout and is a big strong man. Always liked Aidan Orme good natural forward and could solve left footed free taking issue. I was at Crosssmolina V Ballyhaunis Jack Coyne stood out as he is on the Mayo panel Keith still got it and Conor Loftus and Jordan Flynn were influential but I still would like to see Fionnán Duffy come into the Mayo panel he would give something different and he scored a peach of goal which effectively won the game for Cross

  3. Very sad news on paddy prendergast, a giant of a man. He spoke so well and so fondly of the great men of 50/51 , I always got the impression they were a group of men ahead of their time , great thinkers . May he RIP and may his name never be forgotten for Mayo GAA .

  4. Legend, may he rest in peace.

    I had the good fortune of meeting Paddy fishing on Lough Carra in the early ’90s. A giant of a man and a real gentleman. I was only a young lad at the time, but it’s a lovely memory, one I’ll never forget. Spending a couple of minutes talking football with one of the greats of the game.

  5. So sad to hear of the death of Paddy Prendergast. Last of the legends of that golden era. May he rest in peace.

  6. May Paddy Prendergast rest in peace. A born winner won 2 all Ireland medals in that almost mythical time of 1950/51. He has fought the good fight May God grant him the best bed in heaven he will always be a legend in Mayo

  7. So sad to hear of the death of Paddy Prendergast, legendary full back on the team of 1950 and 1951. In those years, I imagine the entire county, young and old, enthralled by the exploits of those men. I was only talking with my uncle about Paddy this week – he was lucky enough to be in Croke Park with his brothers to see those teams win the All-Ireland in ‘50 & ‘51. Seventy years later he could still name the players on the team.
    May Paddy rest in peace.

  8. Very sad to learn of Paddy’s passing. A legend and a gentleman. My late father spoke with such reverence about the team of ’50/’51. They were the very best of Mayo men. May Paddy’s soul rest in peace.

  9. RIP Paddy. A real Mayo legend. The term is dished out far too easily in Mayo (something that needs to change). He was a real hero.

  10. What a sad piece of news. I has the good fortune to visit Paddy and his lovely wife Irene in their home in Tralee in 2017 while cycling the Wild Atlantic way.

    He was a complete gentleman. He and Irene welcomed me into their house and over the course of a couple of hours wanted to speak only about all things Mayo…not just football but any bit of news at all from the county. Our conversation was so good that I completely forgot to ask to see his All Ireland medal!

    Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam dílis.

  11. One of my first ever memories of hearing of Mayo foot was my late father talking of Mayos great 51 team and Paddy Prendergast.
    Sincere condolences to the Prendergast family.
    R I P Paddy.

  12. RIP Paddy Prendergast.
    Watching Breaffy v Neale, my God why are the Neale Senior, its men v Boys. Size, strength, football ability.

  13. Lord have mercy on Paddy.
    May heavens lights welcome him home.

    I was going to take my Mayo flag in this evening, but it’ll fly proudly for another week in honour of Paddy.

    A shining example to all of a life well lived.

  14. Breaffy remind alot of Mayo, I think there is a soft underbelly there, when pressure comes on they seem to go completely out of the game this is v the Neale a weak Senior team.

  15. Nice gesture there by Revellino with the flag. RIP to Paddy Prendergast, one of the greats of Mayo football.
    He won all All Ireland medals with Mayo in 1950 and 51.
    RTE News Now reports that Dr Mick Loftus, is now the sole surviving panel member from that 1951 panel, but didn’t play in that final against Meath.

  16. Breaffy v The Neal as one sided as the scoreboard suggests but what a display of point taking by Tommy C. Deserved motm. Exciting times ahead with this young man.
    Also nice touch from Hennelly to pay respects to the family of Paddy P.

  17. The size difference in the breaffy vs the neale. Unbelievable that the neale persisted with 13 yard kickouts. Keeper did not look comfortable outside this distance. Breaffy let them have it and turned ball over before 45. Tommy conroy was immense.

  18. @eastwall.that was one hell of a prediction on the neale game. It was like reading the match report before the game.

  19. Brilliant analysis as always by Billy Joe. Particularly regarding Mayo not having a culture of harvesting out-and-out inside forwards. This is very strange.

    That said, we’ve as much problems with our half forwards at present. Wasn’t it recently documented that in our championship matches this year against Galway, Dublin, Tyrone, our 10, 11 and 12 failed to score in all those big games?! That’s staggering, and I’m betting it must be a record.

    It begs the question of what to do with the likes of Tommy Conroy in the coming years.. how do we get the most out of him. I think he should be left inside permanently. Right now he’s so good he can play rotating in-and-out of the lines at ease while still being his brilliant best. But that won’t last forever and he, like all talented forwards, with have far limited space against top defenders. This can ruin players.

    Its tempting to bring Tommy out, as he’s a creator and is as good on the 40 as he is inside. However, we don’t want him becoming another frustrated work-horse, foraging for ball and consequently reducing his scoring potency. Same with Ryan. Leave him inside. And Cillian. Please, Cillian, when you return next year stop roaming outfield where you’re completely wasted, frustrated, and of little use to the team. Don’t do this.

    Our game-plan should be so that these guys are allowed to flourish as their natural game and skillet dictates. As I always say, we have the players. But we make a muck out of our inside forwards. Andy Moran is the template on how to get it right (i think he credits Rochy for this?). He stayed inside in ’17. He wins POTY as a result. I don’t understand why Cillian doesn’t do likewise, Mayo’s most devastating goal scorer ever.

    As Billy Joe rightly says, let’s get the football side of things right. That’s not to say we should not try to figure out the other stuff, ie the mental aspect, but if we’re being honest, we’ve a number of footballing improvements that we urgently need to make or else we can expect the same outcomes, even if we have Buddha-like mental regulation in clutch moments.

  20. @Liberal role in the tie, It’s concerning that after nearly a decade of knocking on the door that one of the conclusions is “lets get the football side of things right”. Isn’t that the whole idea of appointing managers to begin with.

    We must be the best in the country at having all the solutions after the final is lost, that isn’t going to cut it any longer I’m afraid and it’s contributing greatly to the anger that still exists.

    What we want is logical solutions to simple problems and not starting to go on this wide tangent of trying to reinvent the wheel when the only question right now is why did we lost a game that we should have won, isn’t that the only question people want answers to because I believe we had sufficient personnel on the panel and sufficient time to tweak out system slightly to beat Tyrone.

    I think most will agree that we have clear and obvious issues in the goal keeping department to start with and there is a pattern emerging regarding positional awareness which is costing us dearly so the clear and obvious solution is we need a new goalkeeper right away and in any case we need to develop a fly keeper who has outfield experience.

    Yesterday the name of Colm Reape came up as a player who may fit the bill.

    So Colm Reape needs to start the league and if he doesn’t then I would have serious reservations regarding the ability of management to actually solve the very solvable and obvious issues we have which are costing us dearly.

    It would be interesting to hear others views on this or whether I am being too ruthless but my own view is that we will not win an All-Ireland unless we take all the emotion out of everything and become cold and clinical.

    Plenty time for emotion after the project is completed and I honestly believe that if the work starts now we have a good a chance of any as winning the All-Ireland in 2022, but we wont if every decision made is not clinical.

  21. Viper, you appear to believe that cold and ruthless management trumps most factors in winning an All-Ireland. Ideas of development-cycles of teams or developing a cohesive game plan don’t cut it with you.
    I’m curious – in your view, how many counties are at a stage where imposing cold, ruthless and ‘no stone unturned’ management could win them an All-Ireland in 2022?
    I know your own interest is Mayo but it’d be interesting to see how many counties would fall into the above category.
    By the way, I am a bit put off when I see comments saying Mayo should have won the game against Tyrone. It strikes me as arrogance as if Tyrone were only there to make up the numbers, which is patently not the case. I find that attitude incredible. Mayo, even playing at top tilt, were not that much better than Tyrone, all things considered, to say we should have won. We could have, yes, but should have is another thing entirely.

  22. You could be right Viper, but on the flip side, a new manager could come in and we could conceivably fall back into the pack like Galway or Meath etc.

    My worry in relation to James is his apparent stubbornness, a refusal to bend from his style of play. But we also need to remember that this style created us many opportunities against Tyrone, yet for whatever reason the players couldn’t convert. So James is clearly doing a lot right. It doesn’t all fall on the manager. Dare I say it, if James was managing any other top county would he have won an All ireland with them by now? I think he would.

    I still believe it comes down to belief. I genuinely don’t know how James or any other manager can instill the much needed belief into Mayo.

    I cannot think of anyone who could come in as Mayo manager now who could do a better job with the players we have. Look how far James has brought on this team, especially given all the rookies he brought in and in light of all the retirements. Remarkable progress made.

    I totally agree we need to solve the Goalie problem. Robbie cannot deal with a high ball in the square yet successive management teams have failed to give other ‘keepers a chance. Robbie’s kickouts overall are excellent I think but the high ball issue will continue to be our downfall. Although, Oisin should have done better there too against McShane. That should have been lights out for McShane (metaphorically), man and ball taken. Such a pathetic goal to give away. Same with Brogan’s in ’13.

  23. On on the issue of ‘privilege’, all county players are privileged to be playing for their county. And no player is entitled to a jersey. Every year is a new year. There’s no automatic right, no matter who you are.

  24. I think as supporters we are lucky that these great Mayo players took up the ‘privilege’ and decided they will commit to the county team. This commitment means training 5 nights a week, a strict diet, little or no alcohol, missing family events like weddings etc, reorganizing work to be at training/games, picking up serious injuries etc. My commitment compared to this is attending and enjoying 8-10 Mayo games in the year.
    There are players in a lot of countries who are just as good as the Mayo lads but aren’t reaching thier potential because they are not prepared as amateurs to put in the same insane commitment or the structures put in place by their senior team management and county board does not allow them reach their potential.
    Of course players in Mayo dont have to make these commitments and can opt out if they wish – but I have the utmost of respect for the lads that put in the commitment.

  25. @Liberal role in the tie, every outcome revolves around decision making and it’s important to try and separate that from someone’s ability and qualities.

    There is no doubt that James Horan has qualities, that’s not in question at all and there is no doubt that Rob Hennelly has qualities as well but we cannot deny that there is pattern emerging of poor decision making when it comes to All-Ireland finals and lets be honest about it, those decisions are costing us.

    Things like missing a penalty do not fall into the same category at all.

    So when I talk about being cold and clinical what I am saying is that there comes a time when a manager must look at the facts coldly and make changes that could be the difference between winning and losing an All-Ireland and I believe for a start that there is enough evidence there to show that we need a new goalkeeper to start with.

    So it is up to James Horan to decide whether he will persist with Rob Hennelly and if he does then he believes that there is no better keeper in the county.

    There may not be, but we shouldn’t die wondering.

  26. @Southmayo Exile, Being an Inter-County player also comes with benefits so it’s not a one way street.

    I think it would be a privilege to play for your county, you don’t have to though if you don’t want to, there will always be someone else who will only be too willing to take your place.

  27. @Swallow Swoops, you’re making a lot of assumptions there to be fair to you, but unfortunately they are incorrect.

    “Ideas of development-cycles of teams or developing a cohesive game plan don’t cut it with you.” – Can you tell me what the cohesive game plan was against Tyrone or that Tyrone weren’t in a development-cycle ?

    “Mayo, even playing at top tilt, were not that much better than Tyrone” – We didn’t need to be much better, all we needed was to win by point.

    We lost the intelligence war against Tyrone which is something completely different to footballing ability and I put that down to lack of preparation and after nearly a decade of knocking on the door and seeing how Dublin operate then I’m sorry but I find that unforgivable and so do many others.

    Can you really say we gave ourselves the best chance of beating Tyrone in terms of preparation ?

  28. Viper, I have read your posts and I am concluding based on what you have said. You want to win and believe that stringent preparation will deliver that, and it seems to me, that you believe preparation in one year is enough.
    I have made my views clear several times since the final and it’s a little tiring to have to repeat them again.
    I am not sure if my views will reconcile with yours because we probably simply approach things differently. You plan to win, and I tend to like to understand why things happened the way they did and then go from there. Your approach is a very strong one, certainly – who in their right mind could argue with it? But I believe good plans are built on solid foundations. I am sure you do too.
    My central belief is that our team is building – they have more to develop. Re ‘cohesive game plan’, I don’t think our team has that yet. They can play Horanball but I believe Horan knows more strands are needed to defeat top teams. Mayo in 2020 and 2021 was a team still finding its feet.
    I agree with you that I would have preferred to see more targeted preparation for the opposition in the AI Final but I think Horan made a calculated choice to play a Horanball plus type of game, believing our strengths were there, and that gave us the best chance of victory. He had two weeks to stick or change. This is a choice.
    Re Tyrone, I have said several times already that they may be in year 1 of a new management but (1) their style of football is ingrained since 2018 and before, and (2) that this very style of defensive football was a major sticking point for the other big teams this year. Dublin can beat defensive counterattacking football, Kerry and Mayo are not comfortable with it. Tyrone’s ingrained game plan is hard to beat unless you are on top of your game. It gave them a great chance to win this year.

    Re my comment that Mayo were not that much better than Tyrone, I meant the win was not guaranteed. Your posts strongly assert that good preparation can ensure a win, that Mayo should have won, that multiple things were either missing or done badly for the final, and that a better team setup would have got a better result.

    I think the management team might have done well with the elements and resources at their disposal, all things considered.

    Yes, I am mortified at our loss, but my feelings don’t mean we deserved a win.

    People seem to dismiss the ferocity and man marking Tyrone brought also, as if our management was simply poor or our players played badly.
    I will leave it at that, just hoping to have expressed myself clearly. That is not a given.
    Viper, I don’t expect that we agree, and that is OK. I respect your views, nonetheless.

  29. @Swallow Swoops, Of course I agree with some of your points but I don’t agree that Tyrone are as defensive as people seem to think, they are nothing like a Donegal under McGuinness for example, Harte used to go crazy when people labelled them as a defensive team.

    They didn’t even play a sweeper.

    What makes Tyrone “appear” as a defensive team is their ability to slow the game down which gives them time to get into position and draw you somewhere you don’t want to be and their masters at turning you over, but that’s their game, it’s always been their game and their ability to target the opposition key men, the dogs on the streets of Kabul know that.

    What they don’t like is quick ball, it stands to reason, it negates two of their key strengths straight away and as we saw we were capable of opening them up with quick ball, but then it stopped which makes me think it was opportunistic as opposed to something which was planned.

    Playing Tyrone would be a good tacticians dream, but we managed to turn it into a nightmare.

    So you can develop all the teams you want but if you are tactically weak then you will struggle to get it over the line when it matters.

  30. Séan, just a few thoughts on that:
    – Mayo of 2020-2021 are not the same team as 2011-2019.
    – There were 6 retirements in January 2021.
    – There were 4 novices starting AI Final 2020 and 6 relative novices starting AI Final 2021.
    On this: 1. players are learning what it is to play senior championship football; and 2. most importantly, the team is learning a strategy and gameplan, and how to play it together. 3. Players like Oisín and Eoghan Mc are still developing their game.
    – There is a different approach used in our midfield pairing in 2020 & 2021 to traditionally. Speed and mobility versus height and strength. This takes time to adjust. The approach was exposed in AIF 2021 (the only time really) and we see we need to add protection or something else.
    – Covid
    – Drop to division 2 (not having the experience in Division One this year)
    – Time was needed to decide on our forward division. We seemed to settle on TC and ROD this year. But we had seen Fionn McDonagh and Brian Reape look v promising there before and I thought they could be starters. Injury or other reasons could have stalled that.
    – Aidan – apparent decision to try him at FF in 2020 and 2021. Experimenting with that is another type of way of saying ‘finding our feet’
    – First goalkeeper retires in 2020; second goalkeeper takes the first spot in 2021
    – I’d say there might have been adjustments in the goalkeeping strategy between 2020 and 2021 re kickouts.
    – Cillian gets injured. Key man in the forwards. At least some adjustment needed for that, but v positive results yielded as ROD stepped up massively.
    – More speed, speed, speed added and S & C advanced this year (this factor added)
    – On reflection, and I don’t know do others agree, the only two positions on the field offering continuity/robustness from pre 2019 to now are Stephen Coen and Paddy Durcan. All other positions and lines have been subject to change, question marks, swapping or uncertainty since 2019.
    – From 2020, Mayo were probably preparing thinking they’d be meeting Galway, Dublin or Kerry on the horizon and were thinking of how to counter them.

  31. And on further reflection, the organising factor when you look at all of our lines, bar the goalkeeper, is speed.
    With the players Horan has at his disposal since 2019, and in going about creating a new team and strategy, he has sweeping speed all up the pitch, that conceivably would be enough on its own to defeat a team, no matter who they are.
    And then we meet Tyrone.
    In the AI Final.

  32. @ Swallow Swoops. And when you take a fair look at how the game panned out.

    And ask.

    1) Did James Horan put us in a position to win this game.
    Of course he did. We fluffed about 4 scoreable goal chances and I would say 8 scoreable points were sent wide.
    Not the managers fault. He’s gone with what he considers the best forwards and score takers in the county.

    2) People say lack of preparation. I think that’s a bit disrespectful. I’m sure the Mayo team worked harder than any other team on their preparation.

    Everybody is lauding the Tyrone preparation, but I will point out, that if Mayo had taken half (that’s right half), their chances, we would have have won the match by 5 or 6 points.

    A manager prepares a team to ensure his team is in a better position on the balance of play.
    On the balance of play in the AIF, through working the ball in to scoring positions, we were in a far better position than Tyrone.

    If we had managed to take half our chances then there wouldn’t be a squeak about Tyrone’s preparation because they would have been beaten.

    Mayo did alot of things right in the final, they just simply failed to score enough of the chances they created.

    As Swallow Swoop points out, hopefully Cillian will be back for the next campaign, Rod and Tommy will have that bit more experience to add to their threat, and hopefully we might find another couple of forwards in the club campaign.

    We simply have to be more economical with our score taking the next time we are in this position.

  33. Re-watched the drawn 2016 final for my sins last night.
    Kevin, AOS and Diarmuid at 10,11 and 12.
    All worked hard but none scored or came close to scoring.
    1 point from Jason but played very deep as well.
    So just really only had COC and Andy that day for scores from the forward line, just like we only
    had ROD and Tommy a few weeks back. Therein lies the age old problem.
    It just has to be fixed

  34. Revellino, my thinking is that JH decided to go with a game plan that the team were specialists in at that stage of proceedings in Sept 2021 – moving ball fast in numbers and then thriving exponentially on the momentum of that. He also added elements of kicking as was visible in the first half. Mayo are actually quite good at long kicking and it comes reasonably naturally to them, in my opinion.
    Tyrone were just forensically prepared and had a defensive counterattacking game plan by divine chance that is tough for most teams to beat.
    I do agree with you that we might well have won with our game plan, as you pointed out. I say this given the importance of momentum to our plans.
    For example, if the penalty had gone in, the game could have turned on that. I don’t hold that against ROD because there’s always a chance they don’t go in.
    I don’t think we had reached further stages of development to be able to implement more refined strategies. For example, when we tried to implement another type of strategy in the first halves versus Galway and against Dublin we didn’t yet look comfortable with it, although I was proud of the young lads and our team for doing it and mastering it half decently. One has to walk before one can run with certain strategies.

    I do think and hope we’ll be a more oiled unit next year.

    As I said, I’d have liked to see more targeted ploys prepared to negate some of Tyrone’s likely tactics but that’s just me, and Horan made a choice that I believe he thought could outdo Tyrone on the day. And you make the point that it put us in a position to win the game.

  35. @Revellino, Sport doesn’t work that way I’m afraid, if England had scored their penalties they’d be European champions or if Mayo had scored half their chances in previous finals we’d have several All-Irelands by now.

    It just does not work that way, imagine a manager coming out after a game and saying if my players took their chances we’d have won, we wouldn’t like it would we.

    We can equally point to the Tyrone missed chances and make a case that we should have been beaten by more, but I don’t look at that as real analysis at all and even talking about our goal chances you can only point to the first or the last because had we scored the first one then there is no guarantee the others would have came our way at all.

    I can see you tend to agree with @Swallow Swoops but actually both your points contradict each other, on the one hand @Swallow Swoops points out in a comprehensive and well thought out list the reasons why we shouldn’t have expected to win and adds that we struggled against Tyrone’s defensive style of football as other teams have but yet you believe that had we taken half of our chances we would have won by 5 or 6 points, the problem is both of those opinions clash.

    Had Tyrone played with a complete blanket then I would agree with @Swallow Swoops but they didn’t do that at all but we failed to have a forward structure and game plan in place to negate one of Tyrone’s key strengths, we also failed to deal with their dominance at midfield and took too long to realize the McCurry match up was not working, something McStay even flagged before the ball was thrown in.

    So all of the above, and there are many more not alone cost us better and more scoring opportunities but they contributed a significant amount of scores for Tyrone.

    And we can also say that there appeared to be some disagreement or confusion on our own sideline regarding either tactics or substitutions.

    Regarding preparation, it all depends what’s on your checklist to begin with.

    I understand very well that when people are disappointed they can find solace in trying to convince themselves that we had no right to win but personally on this occasion I just cant agree.

    I want James Horan and our players absolutely raging, too much mollycoddling will be totally counter productive, respect always of course but don’t ever get into a comfort zone.

  36. Viper, I think Revellino and I agree on the idea that JH made a reasonable choice to go with the strategy he did, given the circumstances, and that, as I said, and Revellino said, we *could* have won with it. Not that we definitely would have, but that it had a reasonable chance of succeeding *given the circumstances of the wider team development*.
    It doesn’t make JH’s prep, year or team very poor or deficient when this choice did not succeed.
    I also try to point out factors why we are not yet a team at peak powers.
    I made my posts above to say we were not guaranteed a win, contrary to what you might suggest. My interpretation of your views is that with the absolute best preparation we would have won.
    For me, this appears to say there was something deficient in JH’s preparation or the team’s that led to a defeat.
    For the reasons I outlined above, I think we were limited in what our team could pull out of the bag on the day. We could have won, but with the long list of factors I outlined above, we also had the chance of losing. Your posts seem to suggest that these factors count for nothing but preparation would have got our team over the line.
    For me, the modifications to Tyrone’s game this year only add to their defensive game. They defend as a priority and tend to do so in groups. This doesn’t look like the traditional blanket but it is none the less football based on a cohesive defensive strategy with a counterattack. It is Tyrone 2018+, in my view (admittedly I am not a football expert). Kerry found it hard to counter this style of play, being at sea for how to do so.

  37. @Viper.

    We struggled to score.
    We didn’t struggle to create scoreable chances.

    We did score 15 times.
    We did miss another 12 (at least), scoreable chances.

    I also felt that in areas of the pitch, namely midfield and our half forward line that Tyrone did a good job of limiting our players. Swallow Swoops is correct. In areas of the pitch we did struggle with how Tyrone defended and tackled.

    The game however is not just played in midfield and the half forward line and the fact remains that we created approximately 27 scoring chances.

    So rather than try and tangle up what two people are saying as a contradiction, I am pointing out to you that it is possible for Tyrone to have played well defensively, as in negating alot of our scoring threat ( Mattie from midfield and the half forward line), and also for us to have created more than enough chances to win.

  38. @Revellino, Of course Tyrone are going to play well defensively if you walk straight into their traps, thats meat and drink to them, easy turn overs, and we saw against Kerry how many scores they got that way so what did we expect, that they weren’t going to turn us over ?

    What did we learn from the Tyrone v Kerry game ?

    Yes we did miss a lot of chances and you have to ask yourself how well were we prepared mentally or shielded from outside noise because I have always believed that the preparation of a Mayo team needs to factor in the incredible weight they are carrying, this is why I beat the no stone unturned drum all the time, we have more stones to turn than any other team.

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